Introduce Yourself

[KGQ]

Hello All!

My name is Lars Osell and I am currently a Senior (1/C Midshipman) at the United States Merchant Marine Academy. I have been accepted to the Naval Pilot Program with upon my commissioning this Spring however I am chiefly seeking opportunities in the Air National Guard or AFR to become a fighter pilot. U.S.M.M.A. is unique amongst the service academies as you may commission into any branch upon graduation either active duty or reserve.

During my free time I enjoy working out, racing sailboats, hunting and skiing. While at the academy I have been the captain of the sailing team for three years. I have additionally served as the Regimental Public Affairs Officer, Regimental Professional Development Officer, and as a member of the Diversity Equity and Inclusion committee.

Currently I am completing applications to various squadron and am now trying to accrue flight time in order to maximize my PCSM score. I have 0 flight hours right now. AFOQT 99 PCSM Score 77 and Max PCSM with 41-60 hrs is 97.

[SLAP]

@KGQ Congrats on the Navy pilot slot! Not a bad backup option if the Guard/Reserve gig doesn’t pan out quickly enough.

What’s your deadline for being selected before you’re committed to the Navy? Your resume and test scores are great, but you definitely need a least some flight time to display an aptitude/interest in flying. Apply to as many squadrons as you can, regardless of flight time, since you’re on a tight timeline, but see if you can get to at least solo (ideally a PPL) as quickly as possible. Worst case scenario, it’ll help prepare you for Navy flight school.

Also, if there’s any info on the Merchant Marine Academy pipeline you can provide in a different thread someday, that would be great. As you know, it’s an often overlooked option for many.

Welcome to BogiDope!

[KGQ]

Thank you for the reply! I am trying to work in flight hours ASAP, looking at booking some lessons this weekend if possible..

I would be more than happy to talk about the process from the USMMA side of things and will happily be of service to anyone trying to follow that path. Of the 5 federal service academies, we have the greatest accession to military aviation by percentage of applicants which is definitely noteworthy for those starting their journey.

[fox-alpha]

Hey man, Kings Point 2014 grad here. If it helps at all, I think you would have a solid shot at picking up fighters in the Navy. A lot of guys are getting out and the updated department bonus is huge – all pointing towards an increased demand signal. The pointy nose community is hurting badly right now. Not to dissuade you, but most of the UPT applicants straight from the Kings Point that I knew only got picked up due to a history of high civ flight hours or they had a major hookup at a squadron (dad was squadron group commander in one case). Once again, not trying to dissuade but wanted to give you an idea of the types you are competing with. Naval Aviation has its ups and downs but I had a blast flying the MH-60R with very few regrets.

[jared-johnson]

Hey everyone, my name is Jared and I’m currently an active-duty Army officer in command of an Engineer Dive Detachment at Langley-Eustis, Virginia. I graduated from ERAU with a BS in Aerospace Engineering and from UF with a MS in Aerospace Engineering. Like a lot of us, I earned my PPL a few years ago and have been building hours in preparation of applying for a UPT slot in the Air National Guard, (just got to 100 hours!). PCSM – 99, AFOQT (Pilot) – 96.

Recreationally, I am a habitual tinkerer. Most of my time is spent in the garage working on motorcycles, cars, electronics, or around the house on projects. What is left of my personal and professional time is spent underwater around the world, so please reach out if you’re interested in learning more about the diving community!

I have just started the application process but my goal is to fly Fighters in the Air National Guard.

[SLAP]

@jared-johnson Impressive background minus one major red flag – you went to UF ???? (I’m an FSU guy)!

What kind of missions do you do as an Army diver?

Welcome to BogiDope!

[jared-johnson]

@SLAP thanks for the reply! It’s inspiring to read your accomplishments and accolades despite coming from FSU (a true underdog).

We perform reconnaissance, body recovery, and underwater construction primarily, although we get utilized for almost anything that involves water.

[jag]

Hi everyone, I’m Jag! I’m early into my PPL and AFOQT study journey and aspire to serve in the AF Reserve or Air National Guard. Military service and aviation are a new path for me; I have my MBA and currently work in consulting. I’ve had the dream of becoming a pilot in the back of my head for years now and recently have felt compelled to just go for it. I’m looking forward to the road ahead and am very grateful for all the resources and community here. Good luck all!

[SLAP]

@Jag Welcome to BogiDope! I got bit by the aviation bug a little later than some too, so it’s definitely not too late to make that dream into a reality.

Let us know how we can help. Good luck!

[TStephens34]

Thanks for the reply! It’s always a fight between students and CFIs on who will get to do the interior preflight during the winter months. Lol.

I’m open to both fighters and heavies. My goal has always been to fly the A-10 but I’m interested in F-35 at Fort Worth and F-16 at Homestead as well. On the heavy side I’m interested in C-17, C-5 and C-130. Looking at Charleston, McGuire, Dover and Patrick.

[Smallzz]

Hi my name is Carson Small, most just call me “Smallzz”

I am currently on track to qualify for the airlines even before I turn 21. I’ve always wanted to be a military pilot but never explored the “how” behind it. I have about 200hrs with a multi-engine instrument rating, soon to get commercial. I’ve looked into the process in trying to apply for a pilot slot at a guard base street hire, I know it is very competitive, and many have just said take the money at the airlines but that is not what truly matters to myself. While I am a CFI building hours and experience I will complete an online bachelors qualifying me as an officer.

I’m 18 and have already made it much farther than most double my age and enjoy the challenge. I hope to gain a lot of experience and information from the forums, hopefully enough to impress a local wing looking for a young a determined airman wanting to make a difference.

[SLAP]

@Smallzz Impressive amount of flight experience at such a young age! We’ve worked with a few people who were able to build their flight time quickly enough to get hired at a major airline before starting UPT. Then their seniority grows at the airlines as they get to spend several years focusing on the military. When they eventually go part-time after training, they’ll go back to the airlines with way better pay, schedule, flexibility, etc. Might be something worth shooting for if you’re interested in both careers.

Are you in school? You can get hired at an airline these days without a college degree, but the Air Force will still require one. An Army Warrant Officer would be your only option to fly in the military without a degree that I’m aware of.

[Smallzz]

I am currently in Flight School, should be an instructor in the next couple months. I have been exploring my options to pursue both civil and military aviation at the same time. I’ve found 2 options that I am very torn between:

1. Continue as a CFI while also gaining a bachelors hoping to get a UPT slot from street hire. Low probability on getting picked up from a unit without any experience however.

2. Continue as a CFI, but sacrifice 9 months to become a crew chief at my guard base then return as a CFI and have the bachelors paid for. By the time I finish the bachelors I’ll be at an airline at 21-22, then step away to train until I go part time. I already have the mechanic scores it’s just about the time.

I am 18 so I have plenty of time, I am just a very time conscious person and everything I do I think about well before a make a final decision.

[FuzzyBear]

Good Morning, Afternoon, & Evening From The ????????

I’m Nick, late 40’s shall we say and Ex UK Armed Forces ( RAF ) former Air Loadmaster On The C130J.

Currently Awaiting To Start New Role As An Aircraft Mechanic Technician With British Airways.

Also Serving As An RAFAC Instructor, Glider Pilot And Giving Back To The Youngsters What They Gave Me That Led To An Outstanding Career.

I Can See This Is Based In The US ????????, But I Enjoy Listening To All Aviator’s Stories, Achievements And Goals. Hope You Don’t Mind Me Joining And Interacting.

Good Luck In All That You Do. Keep Safe.

[SLAP]

@FuzzyBear Welcome to BogiDope! I’m sure there are a few people on here interested in flying gliders, so you can be our resident glider expert.

[load]

My name is August. I’m a reserve c-17 loadmaster and an A&P mechanic in the major airlines. I am 24 have 2 ppls working on my instrument. I have a 99 pilot afoqt and an 88 PCSM. I am currently trying to get hired by my own unit but have also been applying everywhere because I just want to be a pilot so badly. I have been chasing the dream since I was 17 and it’s been a long road.

[SLAP]

@load It sounds like you’re checking a lot of boxes for most squadrons (flight time, military experience, good scores, etc). What do you think has been your biggest obstacle to getting hired up to this point?

[Fog]

Hi all! It’s so awesome reading everyone’s backgrounds and stories about serving and aviation in this discussion. My name is Erik and I am currently a Personnelist with the CA ANG. I am currently enrolled at Embry-Riddle Worldwide pursing a BS in Aeronautics and I am also a student pilot with about 33.5 hours of flight training and have soloed in the Tomahawk. My goal is to finish my private pilot training, earn my degree next year, and apply to UPT positions to fly either Tankers or Fighters. I wish everyone the best on their journey on pursing their goals!

[SLAP]

@Fog Congrats on your solo, and good luck wrapping up your PPL!

Most squadrons will accept UPT applications within 6-12 months of graduation, so you don’t need to wait to apply until you actually have a degree in hand. The point is, if you’re inside a year until graduation, start sending those apps in ASAP. Good luck and welcome to BogiDope!

[WAZ]

Howdy all,

My name is Zach Wusk. I am a 24 y/o working at NASA in Houston, Texas. I am originally from Yorktown, VA, where I grew up with F-22s roaring overhead. I have degrees in Mechanical and Biomedical Engineering, and most of my background is human performance research. Working closely with astronauts and hearing their stories has encouraged me to chase my dream of being a fighter pilot.

I come from a family of pilots (Grandpa flew F-4s and F-106s, Uncle flew F-16s, and Dad flew for NASA), and I have done a fair amount of GA flights with my dad, but no official work towards my PPL. I enjoy fitness of all sorts (CrossFit/HIIT workouts, Olympic lifting, half marathons, triathlons) and I have always been a very competitive person.

As someone with little prior knowledge of the ANG, this website has been extremely helpful. I am currently working towards getting my AFOQT/TBAS scheduled, but running into some issues with the local recruiter. He said I could not schedule the assessments until I was listed as a potential candidate for an officer position (but I need to scores to apply to the open UPT slots?). I am working on getting a POC for the local ANG wing to see if there is someone else I can talk to (If others have had trouble with this and know a better solution, please let me know). Hopefully I can get this sorted out and start applying.

I would love to connect with others on here, especially if there are any in my boat or who have successfully come from a similar background.

Cheers,

Zach

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[SLAP]

@WAZ What type of flying did/does your dad do for NASA?

As impressive as your engineering/NASA backgroud is, realize that your lack of PPL will hurt you with your PCSM score as well as your general competitiveness against other applicants for Guard/Reserve fighter slots. I recommend knocking that out ASAP.

Don’t feel obligated to go through a recruiter to get your AFOQT/TBAS scheduled. Call any local Air Force Base’s (Guard, Reserve, or Active Duty) education/testing/training departments (they have different names based on the base). If you can’t find a direct number, look up the base’s “Command Post” and they can transfer you. The other option would be to call any AFROTC detachments at colleges in your area.

It’s amazing how difficult the Air Force can sometimes make tracking these test taking opportunities down, but until something changes (don’t hold your breath) it’s on you to make as many calls as needed to find someone in your local area who can help. Good luck and welcome to BogiDope!

[WAZ]

Hey @SLAP ,

Thanks for the response. I am aware that the lack of my PPL makes it more difficult; I have started studying for ground school and plan to keep working towards my PPL while I get all the other pieces together.

I reached out to the local AFROTC group. They gave me a POC to help schedule the AFOQT, but it has been 2 weeks and no response. The local joint reserve base doesn’t answer their phone, so my next step is to just show up to talk to someone (since the local recruiter was not helpful).

My dad retired last year, but flew King Airs. He also got to be backseat in T-38s for a few different projects as a flight test engineer.

[Ckai]

Hey y’all – I’m Tyler Turriff, 24yrs old. Looking to apply to a pilot spot in the reserves. Currently a software engineer on the F35 displays with Lockheed. MS Electrical Engineering. PPL 100+ hrs of recreation flying.

Used to work with CAE on the F18 sims and while working with many USAF/USN pilots, it inspired me to go for a pilot spot!

Free time I like to fly different aircrafts when I can, gliders, aerobatics, ect.

I’ve taken AFOQT and TBAS once, but will also go for it a second time in the near future.

It’s nice reading all of your backgrounds, experiences, and knowledge in this forum! Thanks!

[SLAP]

@Ckai Good luck with your upcoming AFOQT/TBAS retakes! As you probably already know, the Air Force recently changed the scoring system for both tests to a “super score” method, meaning your score can only increase, never decrease. So, find the specific sections that you need to improve and really concentrate on those instead of worrying about the whole thing again. Let us know how it goes!

[Fish]

Hey, I’m Grace. I’m a Civil Air Patrol cadet and student pilot looking to go into the Air Force or Air National Guard. I’m still figuring things out for next year as a senior in high school. Whether I enlist or attend college first, I’m super excited to keep moving in the field of military aviation!

[SLAP]

@Fish Welcome to BogiDope! It sounds like you’re already way ahead of the game, but I would recommend that IF you decide to enlist, you do it in the Guard or Reserve WHILE going to college instead of active duty. You can typically get your tuition paid for, and it maximizes your ability to finish college and flight training on a normal(ish) timeline. Active duty will be considerably more demanding of your time which will likely delay your ability to complete the requirements to apply for UPT (if that’s your goal). Just my $.02.

[Brian-Ellis]

Hello All, my name is Brian Ellis. I am a retiring Army Warrant Officer after serving for 23+ years as a Black Hawk pilot. Most of my career was spent as an Instructor Pilot with the last couple of years as a Maintenance Test Pilot. I also served in the capacity of a Senior Warrant Officer Advisor, and have helped several folks forge their path to the US Army’s Initial Entry Rotary Wing Course and the more advanced training courses throughout their career. I am happy to help provide any insight or help make a connection for someone interested in the career path of flying for the Army. Please don’t hesitate to reach out! Good luck in your journey to getting in the front seat of whatever aircraft it is you want to fly!

[SLAP]

@Brian-Ellis Welcome to BogiDope and thanks for sharing your wisdom with the community!

For anyone interested in becoming a Warrant Officer in the Army and/or flying for Army Spec Ops, Brian is a very valuable resource!????

[IHC_Nole]

Hey folks,

My name is Ray. I’m 26 years old living in the southeast, and I’m just in the beginning stages of this whole process, looking to apply for C-130 and C-17 units on the east coast.

My background is in wildland fire and emergency management. If we’re being candid, I always thought planes were cool but never had a serious interest in aviation or the military until working around pilots and various aviation resources throughout my career. Since then something clicked and here we are.

I’d like to thank SLAP and all the other admins here for making this website hum and helping people chase their dreams. I look forward working with this community more in the future!

[SLAP]

@IHC_Nole Thanks for the kind words and welcome to BogiDope! Does the “Nole” in your username represent FSU??

[IHC_Nole]

Yessir, graduated from FSU in 2019. Pretty rabid Seminole football fan, I try to go to a couple games a year, and will be in Ireland for this years kickoff

[Legs]

My name is Brad, AD AF 2T1 at lackland afb.

I’m 20 y/o and am married with no kids. I’m looking to start school here soon probably this summer. I joined the AF because I needed out of my home town. I was going to go play football and had various offers to schools but hurt my knee my senior year and decided not to. I took a year off to figure out if that’s what I wanted to do. I weighed 330 pounds and got down to 205 to be able to join. I really want to commission and become a pilot. I know the odds are very slim but i have hope for sure. I was looking to see what degrees yall have that you used to commission. Being a 2T1 I drive the air crews and they have given me different options. I know psychology is a huge one but a lot say getting a degree in aviation as well. I also was looking at getting started at a flying school here to obtain some hours to have when I apply for it but being AD it will be very tough. I still plan on looking into it though because I know it’s a huge help in the long run. If yall have any suggestions or tips or anything please reach comment or however that works on this I’m not sure. I really will take any info provided and knowledge about the subject. With that being said the reason I put my call sign as legs is because my rater made a joke about me hitting legs 3 days a week and ever since then I have been called that haha.

[SLAP]

@Legs Use this as a general hieracrchy for chosing which degree to choose for maximizing your pilot applications:

1. Whichever gets you the highest GPA (generally speaking, it looks better on an application to have a 3.5GPA in business than a 2.5GPA in Mechanical Engineering — that might not be fair, but it’s the truth).
2. What gets you done the quickest? You can’t be an Air Force pilot without a degree, so the longer it takes, the less competitive you become.
3. Something that gives you flight time. Why? Because it directly increases your chances of success at UPT and will directly help you with several other sections of your application.
4. What do you want to do if you’re not selected? Even if you do get selected, the Guard/Reserve is traditionally a part-time gig, so what other career field interests you?

Hope that helps! Let us know what you choose.

[goonie]

Hello! I am currently a junior in highschool and am on track to earn my associates upon graduation. I have wanted to go to USAFA for years, but recently found out about the guard/reserves. It sounds more appealing to me because I feel like I can further my chances at specifically a fighter slot, and not get stuck with a tanker (no offense to any taker guys out there). I am a C/CMSgt in the Civil Air Patrol, a licensed glider pilot and am currently training for my powered PPL.

[SLAP]

@goonie It sounds like you discovered what many USAFA grads won’t understand until day one of UPT — the Guard/Reserve provides significantly more control over your career (location, aircraft, civilian opportunities, etc). The Academy provides a world-class education, but it won’t be easy finding many advantages to going the USAFA route vs Guard/Reserve if you want to fly fighters.

That’s how BogiDope started. Guard/Reserve flying gigs were the best kept secret in military aviation, so we wanted more people to know it was a better path to arrive at the same destination.

Welcome to BogiDope!

[Khaleesa]

Very true. I love the way you framed it.

Good luck, @goonie!

[siouxplt]

Good morning,

My name is Gavin and I am a current FO for Delta Air Lines on the A320 fleet. I am 25 years old and grew up and got my private on a grass strip in Minnesota. After high school, I went to the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, ND and have since graduated with a degree in commercial aviation. I have been flying in the 121 environment for about 3.5 years now and I do enjoy the job a lot, but recently have been getting the itch to look into flying in the military. I just recently learned about the UPT programs that the ANG offers and have been researching those programs, so we will see what the future holds!

I recently discovered this website and cannot believe I had no idea it existed earlier.. lots of good information. Thanks for letting me introduce myself!

[SLAP]

@siouxplt 25 yr old at Delta? Man, how times have changed!

Going on Military Leave for a few years early in your Delta career to do some tactical flying in the Guard/Reserve while your seniority continues to grow is a brilliant way to maximize the benefits of both careers. If we could outline the perfect path to take for everyone that came to BogiDope, this would be it!

Good luck and let us know how we can help.

[Jupiter]

Hey everyone,

My name is Brad and I am in the very beginning stages of applying to OCS. I am 26 and graduated from Salisbury University (Go Gulls!) with two Bachelors Degrees (Information Systems, Management). I inquired about the process back in 2020 when I graduated but things got a little complicated with COVID. Fast forward to now and I’m serious about going for a pilot slot as aviation is my passion. My Grandfather was a retired Naval Aviator and flew the P2V Neptune. Unfortunately, he passed away well before he would’ve been able to see me fly, but I know he would be proud to see me pursuing my dream. Glad to be a part of this community and wish everyone the best in their ventures!

[hayden]

Hi all,

My name is Hayden. I enlisted in the Marine Corps in 2010. I started my career as a Rifleman, became a Scout Sniper and then transitioned to Special Operations when the opportunity arose. I finished my degree while active and have been everything from an assaulter to a JTAC and I want to take on the challenge of flying. I’ll be done with this contract as a 35 year old veteran with 15 years active time, so getting a call back from recruiters is a challenge and I’m looking for any input if this plan is feasible or if my age will be a hard no. Thanks all,

Hayden

[Kimchi]

Hey everyone!

I’m Kim, from a small town in Southern Ohio where my biggest adventures were working at Wendy’s and McDonald’s to fuel my dream of flying. At 15, I managed to scrape together $50 for my first flight lesson and, honestly, I’ve been obsessed ever since. Paying for my PPL was a hustle, working those fast-food gigs till I was 18, but every bit felt worth it.

College was a blur of warehouse shifts and self-taught coding sessions that somehow landed me in a tech job with a comfy salary. Right now, I’m putting my skills to use by building an app to make aviation education free for everyone.

But here’s the thing: I’m about to turn 34 and my dream to fly commercially and maybe even for the military hasn’t faded a bit. I’m all in on getting back in shape, grabbing that Class 1 medical, finishing my PPL, and throwing my hat in the ring for military flying gigs.

Sure, I know my age might seem like a big deal, but I’m not about to let that stop me. I’ve got my own little gym setup at home (the “Kimnasium”) and I’m hitting the books hard. My goal is to circle back here someday, hopefully with some tips on how to ace being a military officer.

I’m here to soak up all the advice I can get, share a bit of my journey, and keep pushing towards that dream.

[Cali]

That’s an inspiring story and the kind you normally see on like news stations. I hope you get where you are going and keep that drive with everything you do!

I’m biased toward the Air Force but if you’re going the military flight route, research each branch and what they do and apply for them, but understanding the branch helps you understand WHY those branches fly the way they do, what they fly, and when. Waivers/ETPs happen so don’t worry about age.

Good luck!

-Nick

[Khaleesa]

Very inspiring, indeed! Go, Kim!

[gecard]

Good afternoon all!

Long time lurker, going on two years now applying. Career changer from Biodefense Microbiology (anthrax, hemorrhagic fevers, etc.) to pilot and trying to serve as a pilot. Currently 32 with CFI/II/MEI with over 1100hr. AFOQT and PCSM all over 94.

I’ve interviewed a couple places. Once shortly after I started applying, and again most recently in October with one of my top choices, and haven’t heard back. I reached out a couple months after and got a short reply that I’ll know when they’ve decided. I’ve been hesitant to ask again to not bother them too much since they’ve got a lot going on, but getting frustrated since it’s been nearly 6 months.

Anyone got any tips?

[Cali]

I would definitely say email them again, or if there’s a number you can call, do that. I know they said they would let you know, but people get busy and forget.

[Sharky]

I agree–I was a former hiring board chair, we definitely made sure our applicants received timely response, one way or the other. You’re totally ok with emailing your POC for a response.

Sharky

[Ckai]

How long after an application deadline does one usually hear back from a squadron for an interview? And do they also notify you if you were not selected for an interview?

Is it advised to always reach out to POC after submitting an application?

Thanks in advance

[Sharky]

Great question…it varies considerably by unit. For the boards I chaired, we made an effort to provide a response to each candidate who submitted a package, both interview-selects and non-selects. This could come in the form of a generic email, or a personal phone call from the hiring POC. The process each unit uses depends on several factors: how many packages were submitted, available manning in the hiring office to make phone calls, etc. We tried to maximize the “personal touch” as much as possible, knowing the effort applicants made to submit an application. We always wanted to honor that.

As far as the timeline for making that decision goes, this is also heavily dependent on similar factors: the overall number of packages, screening process (what criteria are used to score packages—manual scoring, MilRecruiter sorting tools, or more-likely a hybrid of both), availability for part-time hiring offices to make these determinations (over drill/UTA weekend), etc. Think of boards happening in monthly Drill/UTA cycles…we’d want to give at least one month to process applications/make cut-lines/develop interview lists, and another month for interviewees to prepare. You *should* have at least one month from invitation to interview, under normal circumstances.

Bottom line: you’re not out of line to politely ask the unit’s hiring POC when you could expect a decision. 1) it’s their job….2) even in a small way, you’re demonstrating enthusiasm for that particular unit, which even if “non-select” is your outcome, building name-recognition for yourself may lead to better success at a later board attempt with that unit.

Hope this helps!

[Cali]

Hello Everyone!

My name is Nick. I’m 31 years old and it’s been an interesting journey; I started it about five years ago and I’m almost ready to try to join; I have almost 10 years of military service behind me and I have been in the Guard for over 2 now. I love the Air Force but recently have been working to apply between Navy and Air Force to see which branch of service will take me.

I have a Bachelor’s in Aeronautics from Embry-Riddle (thanks Uncle Sam) and while I still need to take the AFOQT/TBAS, I’m looking into anything that will help advance my goal, hence joining BogiDope. I appreciate any feedback/advice/networking I can get on here.

I’m not picky, I’ll apply to every Air Force opportunity I can if I need to, the Navy was a backup plan in case I couldn’t get anything going. Recently, my Commander and I had a meeting about it and the unit is on my side with this opportunity, although I imagine that only helps as much as I let it.

Thank you for taking the time to read all this!

-Nick

[Sharky]

Hi Nick, thanks for sharing your story. Since this post, have you moved a bit closer to your goals? Any particular questions we can help answer?

[Cali]

Hello, thank you for the reply!

I had a meeting with my commander about this whole thing a month ago; the biggest thing is going to be figuring out how to finance flying lessons to make my package more competitive. He said he would get his boss, a full-bird, behind it, so that should carry some weight. The studying is going well, I’ve been using a study app and I’m considering an actual subscription to this service too as I will need all the help I can get.

[Sharky]

That’s great!

Yes, flying is expensive, no way around it—but that PPL is a prerequisite for most (but not all) guard/reserve flying units. Fighters—most definitely, heavies/other—it depends.

And as you’ve read on here, flight hours only increase your PCSM score up to a certain amount, currently 60 hours. Finally, though there is a qualitative advantage to further ratings for a hiring board (instrument, commercial), I think most units understand how cost-prohibitive those additional ratings are, and may not weigh them as much as the rest of your application package (AFOQT Pilot, PCSM, Resume, work experience, GPA, etc). Hope this helps, best of luck on the rest of the journey!

[nigelalex]

Hey Yall! My name is Nigel. I am 25 years old and graduated from Dartmouth College in 2020 where I played football. I currently work in corporate doing executive search but have always had the flight bug. Who doesn’t want to fly fast right? I’ve been talking to many resources and am preparing to take my AFOQT and get my packet together for an OTS board as well as applying to some ANG/Reserve units . Bogidope has been a huge help in getting all my ducks in a row and I look forward to getting that spot in UPT! I would love the opportunity to connect with anyone who wants to drop some advice on me or anyone that just wants to build their network and chop it up.

[Sharky]

Nigel—Welcome! What an interesting background! Please feel free to reach out with any questions!

[Ryan25]

Hey everyone,

My name is Ryan. I’m 24 and in my last semester of my undergrad. I’ve been enlisted in the Army Guard for 5 years as a UH60 crew member and I have my PPL. I was deployed in 2023, and found out that the air guard flies overseas missions when I stumbled upon some some Michigan and Alaskan heavies in Qatar. After getting to spend some time on Air Force turf, I decided to self start the UPT program. I took the AFOQT before returning to the United States and then took the TBAS my first week back home. I scored 99, pilot and an 82 on the PCSM with 114 flight hours.

I’m currently selecting units that I am interested in working with and preparing for the interview process. I’m leaning more towards heavies (although fighters are alluring). In the future, I’m thinking of getting an aerial firefighting job keep my flying skills sharp.

[Sharky]

Hi Ryan—great work on those testing scores! You have a lot of options out there in the heavy world, including several military units that specialize in aerial fire fighting (CO, CA). Please feel free to reach out with any questions you have about the application/interview process!

[Chainsaw]

Hey everyone,

My name is Clay Shaw. I’m a 24 y/o male college BSBA graduate from UCF. I’ve been a lurker on the forums and job boards for years now and I am finally nearing the finish line in the application process. I’m from St. Augustine, Florida, where I played lacrosse in high school and was apart of the aerospace engineering program. From my senior year I knew I wanted to be a fighter pilot for the USAF. I worked through college to pay my bills and studied after college to take my AFOQT. My first AFOQT results were not spectacular (pilot 86, cso 70, ABM 83, acad 63, verbal 48, quant 73, PCSM 83). I saved up enough money after graduating college to pursue my private pilot license. I made it to the phone interviews of my top choice in Jacksonville but was passed because my GPA and AFOQT score were not competitive enough. Instead of letting that take me down I studied for months and retook my AFOQT to get the new scores ( Pilot 99, cso 96, ABM 99, acad 91, verbal 75, quant 95, pcsm 99). Now I am living in Tampa, I have my own business, and have been applying to Fighter Units in hopes of getting a slot. Great to meet everyone.

[CHAOS]

Chainsaw,

Thanks for sharing your story! Getting a UPT slot is definitely a process. It’s rare to strike gold on your first swing at the bat. You’re headed in the right direction by improving your application and taking feedback to heart. Unit’s are often impressed by applicants returning a second time with an improved package and showing their ability to improve and take a debrief.

Keep grinding; hopefully, your hard work will pay off soon enough!

Cheers.

-CHAOS

[elodie-cardon-cole]

Hey everyone! My name is Elodie (like Melodie, but without the M!) and I’m a Tennessee native who graduated from a small college, The University of the South: Sewanee, with a French degree. I was a college swimmer, barrel racer, and have always had a love for medicine and history, but aviation has always drawn me back in.

I grew up in an aviation household with my mom working in aviation management and my dad flying fighters in a few different squadrons. During college I was taking a course to earn my PPL, but sadly COVID ended the program and flying had to be put on the back burner.

I am now happy to say that my dream has finally resumed and I am set to check ride in a month for my PPL! Though I may be at the very beginning of my journey, I have no doubt it will continue to be extremely rewarding. Ever since high school I have dreamed of following in my father’s foot steps and becoming a military pilot. I’ve been lucky to have not only my dad as a military pilot, but also my cousin who is an Air Force pilot instructor and a buddy who flys for the Knoxville Air Guard unit, so the support has been great.

I am so excited to be a part of this community!! I like to refer to myself as a sponge because I constantly want to learn and absorb new information, so there was no doubt this would be the perfect place for that. I’ve had a great time reading through all the other introductions. Nice to meet everyone and thank you for having me!! See y’all in the skies!

[CHAOS]

Elodie,

Thanks for sharing your story! That’s quite the resume. If you haven’t already, I recommend starting to study for the AFOQT/ TBAS ASAP. Getting 90s on those tests is hugely beneficial to your chances of landing a UPT slot. Looking forward to tracking your progress!

Cheers.

-CHAOS

[Sharky]

Elodie–

What an awesome story, best of luck on crushing your upcoming PPL challenges!

[C.J.]

Hello everyone! My name is CJ Holland, I am 24 years old and actively working towards a career as a Military Aviator.

I recently completed my degree with a 3.7 GPA on top of working full time, volunteering, learning another foreign language, and building some hours in the good old Cessna 172!

On my path towards earning my Commission, and a seat in the cockpit, I cut 70 pounds and completed over 80 credit hours in 8 months to get to where I am now. All of the hard work and discipline has been well worth it! I was recently notified by my recruiter that I have the honor and privilege of going to the September Air Force Active Duty Rated hiring board! I am currently set to take the AFOQT and TBAS in July and have been highly encouraged to keep building as many flight hours as possible.

It is a long road ahead, and it will be the fight of my life to earn my wings. With enough discipline, hard work, and drive; I can do it. Bogi Dope has been an incredible resource and has helped me tremendously get to where I am today on my path. A massive thank you is in order to everyone who has helped contribute to the wealth of knowledge found here, especially with AFOQT prep!

I currently work in a sales/ account management position, which has greatly benefitted my attention to detail and communications skills. The high standards, high stress, and high expectations of my office has helped forge an incredible confidence and internal determination that I am very thankful for. I am looking to leave the sales industry and serve in a way that maximizes my strengths and is more fulfilling than working for a sales commission. I can think of nothing better than competing to become a Military Aviator.

Outside of work, I am the Assistant Captain of my Paintball team, ride motorcycles, Snowboard, volunteer, run 5 and 10k races, hit the gym, and restore WWII-era and other vintage aircraft.

It is my goal to beat the odds, never self-eliminate, work incredibly hard, and earn my wings while building up and encouraging others around me working towards the same goal!

Thank you all for your help and encouragement along the way!

[nichole-riebe]

My name is Nichole. I have been in the USAF reserve for 10 years. I am currently an operations duty controller for Aeromedical Evacuation meaning I spend a lot of time tracking and configuring the C17 and C130. I have my PPL with over 100 hours. I have taken the AFOQT twice and unfortunately continue to fail verbal. Both attempts were during high tempo deployments, which was a horrible mistake I made by being too eager. I have since obtained a third retake waiver. That said, please send me any verbal tips and tricks for that section.

[Travis Yang]

Sup yall! Travis Yang here – currently an AD USAF non-rated officer with aspirations to become a fighter pilot. I’m 29 yrs old, have 98 Pilot Score (AFOQT) and 96 PCSM, with 30 flying hours (planning to obtain PPL before fall).

Wanted 2nd/3rd opinions on the topics below,

*PPL: How vital is having one when applying to guard/reserve? I’m tracking the USAF has Initial Flight Screening (IFS) for folks who don’t have PPLs, and I know the guard/reserve can send their UPT selectees there. Can it partly be that some units don’t want to fund this training so they prefer candidates with PPLs?

*Whole Person Concept: How much weight does an O-6 WG/CC letter of recommendation have? As well as solid awards, evals, sustained superior performance in general, etc. Does a PPL outweigh all of this?

Tracking it depends on the unit, but if anyone can provide some guidance it would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

Travis

[GROM]

Hey Travis,

Like you said, it varies for every unit but the PPL is definitely not required. They changed the scoring a couple years ago to put less weight on the actual hours. That being said, if guard/reserves are the plan, essentially they’re taking a gamble on you getting through pilot training. Having a PPL may give them a warm and fuzzy that you’ll make it compared to the guy with no flight time.

From what I’ve seen from people that went non-rated to rated the letter of recommendation went pretty far. I haven’t been on a selection board so I can’t speak specifically on it but from what I’ve seen the higher up the rec the better the chances are you get picked up.

GROM